Death penalty for drug traffickers: For or against?

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Singapore has a mandatory death penalty for many narcotics offences. Even teenage drug traffickers are usually not spared the death penalty.

It brings tears to my eyes to read about teenagers being sentenced to death for drug trafficking. I feel sad especially for their parents who must have worked hard to raise them. Who's to say that the child cannot be reformed? Who has the right to take a life?

But the life story told by the teenager trafficker, how remorseful he/she feels, how sad the parents must be is only one side of the story.

What's the other side?
Ruined and ended lives of teenagers who become addicted to drug.
The lives of the family members of the addicts.
People who get hurt and killed by drug addicts who need money to buy drugs.
People put in danger when money laundering from drug trafficking funds serious crimes such as arson, murder-for-money and terrorist activities.
Taxpayer's money spent on reforming former addicts.
Should any more of taxpayer's money be spent for the benefit of traffickers?

It doesn't matter that the trafficker came from a poor family, lost his/her parents at a young age or was abused. There are many such people who grow up to make something good of themselves. And it doesn't matter that the trafficker was unaware of the death penalty for drug trafficking; ignorance is not an excuse especially when the penalty for drug trafficking is written on the immigration card!

Am I for or against the death penalty?

The drug situation in Melbourne, Australia makes residents feel unsafe. My aunt's house got broken into, my cousin's car got smashed up twice and someone killed her cat by putting it in the middle of the road.

Singapore is a major transportation hub and could easily become a major drug trafficking hub if we don't have strict laws. As it is, we don't know how many traffickers get through the cracks and even the death penalty is not enough to deter them so what more if we abolish the mandatory death penalty? Why should we bend the rules for those who don't give a damn about the lives they have or will ruin? Why should we make Singapore a safer place for drug traffickers instead of a safer place for law-abiding residents?

I think this is a case where the minority must die to save the majority.


Related news and information:
$5.9 million worth of Methamphetamine (Ice) and Heroin in the first six months of 2010 in Singapore
Singapore drug situation report 2008 and 2009
"Mr Asia syndicate"

FACTBOX- Death penalty in Japan and around the world

39 comments:

David said...

Yu-Kym,

Sadly I must agree with your assessment on the death penalty issue for traffickers.

The drug cartels that hire traffickers have no respect for life. They murder anyone who stands in the cartels way. Infomrers are dealt with quickly, and it does not matter if family or friends are with them. Law-enforcement personnel are targets, judges, officers and prosecutors that go after cartel members often have friends and family members, kidnapped, or murdered in attempts to have investigations or trials canceled.

Drug cartels have used teenagers and young women as traffickers. The cartels have had fights with heavy caliber guns in towns that are on the United States southern border. Often cartel members are members of Mexican police or army units that have had their loyalty bought by the cartels.

I believe all life is precious, and I find this a hard, but necessary stand on this issue.

David

The real problem is in the hearts and minds of men. It is not a problem of physics but of ethics. It is easier to denature plutonium than to denature the evil from the spirit of man.

-- Albert Einstein

Anonymous said...

David,

Hypothetical qn. Would you want Singapore's capital punishment for crimes like drugs, murder, armed robbery, etc in your own country? Death by hanging, gas, electrocution. Not just some states but all states?

curious cat

cfm said...

hmmm... in the 1st place.. drugs are not something good.. there is no need for drugs in the 1st place... its not like people need drugs to carry on living or something..

thus i think the death penalty should stay.. since they know drugs carry a death penalty, they should find other means of ways to make money.. since they took the risk... then they have to live with it..

i think singapore is quite famous on this drug trafficking death penalty as many HK movies and shocking news about singapore hanging drug traffickers from other countries.

i remember singapore made quite some news when sg still hung a viet from aust after much protest.

David said...

CC,

One must recognize that there are evils in this world. Narcotics are among the most destructive of all drugs.
Truly evil people run the drug cartels.

If one recognizes evil, then one must take action not only to recognize the source, but to take steps to end the evil.

If the death penalty aids in making the world a safe place then in this case I will support the death penalty.

David

To the world, you may be one person, but to one person, you may be the world.

-- Author Unknown

Anonymous said...

David,

Do you think the death penalty can take hold in the majority of the states in the US in the forseeable future?

If not, why do you think it's not possible?

curious cat

David said...

CC,

The death penalty is allowed in following States:

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Illinois
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maryland
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

The remaining States have mandatory life imprisonment for capitol crimes.

As each State's constitution is slightly different it remains up to individual State's to allow or deny the death penalty.

David

Kindness is in our power, even when fondness is not.

-- Samuel Johnson

Anonymous said...

David,

Wow i didnt know that more than 50% of states have capital punishment. Thanks for even giving me the names of the states. Now I know where i can go get high without fearing that i will be hung! lol

So why do you think the remaining states stayed away from imposing the death penalty?

curious cat

Yu-Kym said...

cfm, I'm glad Singapore did not bend to public pressure to grant leniency to offenders.

Anonymous said...

Yu-Kym,

When it's enormous pressure from a foreign government of a powerful country, Singapore does bend a little...but never losing sight of the objective of our laws and the integrity or sovereignty of the nation....that's the hallmark of excellent diplomacy at work.

That's why I admire how Singapore conduct its foreign relations.

curious cat

Anonymous said...

Death penalty does not deter drug trafficking, look at the statistics. No i will not get the stats for you, go and find out for yourself.

It should not be mandatory at least. There are lots of mitigating factors to consider. Who are you to take away someone's life?

-gringo

Anonymous said...

Gringo,

God forbid, but if a day comes when your love one's life is taken away by a drug trafficker is the day you will discard all those "mitigating factors" and proclaim "an eye for an eye"!

curious cat

Yu-Kym said...

gringo, statistics can always be used for or against an argument. When your loved one's life is taken away, it's just that 1 life that matters not statistics.

Anonymous said...

No judiciary system of humans in the world is infallible. You can't unhang the person when he's already dead. But you can sentence him to 20,30 yrs in prison to make him repent for his sins.

Are we sure that the person to be hanged is guilty? (Go read abt Vignes Mourthi) Why not nip it in the butt and go for the drug lords and drug barons of the golden triangle? As for Vui kong's case, he's just a boy who comes from a poor family in dire need of money for his mother.

Do you know how many suicides cases there are already in Singapore? God forbid if your loved ones kills himself/herself because of gambling debts incurred playing at sgp casino, you should seek your "eye for an eye" for the person responsible for building the casino here.

-gringo

Anonymous said...

haha Gringo,

I marvel at your great sense of humour and wit!

But I'm even more flabbergasted by this post of yours! Is that really how you view these issues? Really I dont know how to add to them!

curious cat

Anonymous said...

Haha Gringo, I know now what to remark about this post of yours!

you seem to say some things right but then you follow up by saying some things wrong! That's why I'm speechless how to react to your views. I best stick to appreciating your great humour. lol

curious cat

Yu-Kym said...

gringo, "repent" for his "sin" on taxpayers money? Free food and lodging! There are many people who are in dire need of money for their mothers but they don't smuggle drugs and destroy other people's lives. Someone jumped off this apartment building I'm living in after taking drugs, someone lost a brother, someone lost a son. Nobody forced the smugglers to do what they do. By their own free will they chose to do it (I don't believe that they don't know what they are transporting).

Anonymous said...

Absolutely! Ka-Powwww! Yu-Kym said it starkly Gringo!

curious cat

Anonymous said...

You still don't get it. Look at the big picture. If we hang these small drug mules, it won't stop. The kingpins and drug lords in Burma, Thailand or wherever will exploit these ppl and find new ones to traffick drug for them. It will never end.

Btw yu-kym, talk abt taxpayers money, it is more expensive to hang a person then to sentence him for life imprisonment. I'm not saying to let these drug mules go, yes punish them, but have some respect for human sanctity. Can't blame you, the education system here don't teach about human rights at all. You base justice on revenge. "Rape the rapist"

"(I don't believe that they don't know what they are transporting)."
Yes they may know what they are transporting, but they may not know that singapore carries a death penalty. A kampung boy from sandakan sabah msia who have a primary education may not be well informed about the laws you see.

cc, what did i say wrong? Abt the casino? Enlighten me. No wait, forget it, i have a good feeling this will be my last post. yu-kym, an advise, stick to your sex topics. You'll have CC to support your every posts with a raging hardon.

"But I'm even more flabbergasted by this post of yours! Is that really how you view these issues? Really I dont know how to add to them!"

You know what? I am appalled by your abominable views as well. Last but not least, take care and be well.

-gringo

Yu-Kym said...

gringo, it's you who is not seeing the big picture. Drugs is not only about drugs. We're talking about money laundering, firearms, terrorism, etc. You can't expect to use one measure to deal with the problem; a variety of measures have to be used to attack the problem at various angles. It's not about the education system here - as David mentioned, death penalty is used in many states in the US too.

Yu-Kym said...

You may be interested to read about the drug syndicate "Mr Asia syndicate" run by a man, Terry Clark. Terry Clark was a small, skinny kid from some kampong in New Zealand. He worked with Marty Johnstone who based himself in Singapore. Everyone in the syndicate started small, of course. If they had been caught during their early days, won't it be easy to say they were a bunch of uneducated small-time runners who weren't aware of the law?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/features/1760677

Anonymous said...

Gringo,

I'm shocked by your tirade. Cant u pls cool down the way David did? Count 1 to 10? And then respond with your arguments? We can agree to disagree cant we?

It appears u have a great sense of humour and wit but very short fuse too huh? Ok pls dont get all flustered up again. lol

cheers buddy!

curious cat

Yu-Kym said...

$5.9 million worth of Methamphetamine (Ice) and Heroin seized in the first six months of this year in Singapore. %5.9M is more than what the average family would make in their lifetime! The average Singaporean complains to the government that they don't make enough money, yet there are people out there who want to protect drug traffickers who earn big bucks.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_562839.html

Anonymous said...

"The fruit of my experience has this bitter aftertase...
Capital punishment, in my view, achieved nothing except revenge"

-Albert Pierrepoint

Pierrepoint hanged 608 men and women, he was the last hangman till Britain abolish the death sentence in 1965. Singapore follows British laws but this is the one that they didn't follow. Instead they tend to follow the country lead by idiots, US.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Obviously Mr Pierrepoint did not have any love-ones who die of drug abuse and overdose. If he had, he would have hung 6,080 men and women and not 608 and wouldnt regret a single bit.

If you believe the US is led by idiots, then Singapore leaders must be idiots too to follow the US in some policies. I wonder why you are not leading Singapore instead of those "idiots"! Ohh.... you must be leading us on! lol

curious cat

Anonymous said...

how to win pap? u will kena defamation until bankrupt. i dun wanna lead sgp, they are many more better ppl, really hope it will not be u curious cat, lol!

oh u know mr pierrepoint personally lah that he nvr have any love ones who die of drugs? he nvr regret single bit? u can read english or not what i post before this? maybe sgp can elect u as the next hangman u would not regret a single bit i am sure. lol!

Anonymous said...

ok so we hang the young boys, desperate mothers who traffic drugs, now they are dead, billionaires drug lords will send more desperate scapegoats to do it. Now what?

Lo Hsing Han buys ferraris and lambos from singapore. He even has office here.

I will support you on one thing, hang the big bosses but their connections are too strong with us. We play a big part in boosting their economy. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/BurmaSingapore_Drugs.html

http://www.dvb.no/analysis/singapore-mentors-burma-in-sham-elections/8767

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

It is the silliest thing I've heard to imagine anyone ever even thinking of me leading Singapore! lol But I do know some things - if from the start you already accept defeat against any opponent or if you are stupid enough to be sued for defamation, you are not the kind of leader for Singapore. You are actually a "loser". lol

It's even more silly to presume that I know Mr Pierrepoint personally just because of my remark. But I do know if you love someone dearly enough and that someone's life is taken away by drug traffickers, you would want the ultimate justice for the culprits. Either this or you don't have anyone you love so dearly. hahaha

It could therefore be reasonably said that since Mr Pierrepoint denounced capital punishment, he didnt suffer any family tragedy or else he would hang you first for protecting the drug traffickers from the death penalty. lol

I also know I wont dirty my hands to be the hangman to hang you for supporting the drug traffickers. There are plenty of volunteers. lol

curious cat

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, who said "so we hang the young boys, desperate mothers who traffic drugs, now they are dead, billionaires drug lords will send more desperate scapegoats to do it".

You think if we dont hang the mules, the drug lords will not send more mules? I say it will enbolden them to recruit even more mules! I say also hang the mules so that it would be that much more difficult to lure them into joining the drug trade. But where there is good money, there will be mules but hanging is the best deterrent.

Anyway, Singapore does not hang "young" boys!

curious cat

Anonymous said...

"It is the silliest thing I've heard to imagine anyone ever even thinking of me leading Singapore! lol But I do know some things - if from the start you already accept defeat against any opponent or if you are stupid enough to be sued for defamation, you are not the kind of leader for Singapore. You are actually a "loser". lol"

Wow what a winner you are! I never said i wanted to be a leader for this place. waahahhaha. You are stupid enough to vote for them huh?
"It's even more silly to presume that I know Mr Pierrepoint personally just because of my remark. But I do know if you love someone dearly enough and that someone's life is taken away by drug traffickers, you would want the ultimate justice for the culprits. Either this or you don't have anyone you love so dearly. hahaha "

u're not that bright are u? Cant read sarcasm? wuhahaha. of cos u dunno mr pierrepoint personally idiot. stupid ass. hope none of ur loved ones get framed of traffic drugs...lololol. Cuz if they got framed and already been hanged, well it's too late then. <-- see this point dumbass?

"It could therefore be reasonably said that since Mr Pierrepoint denounced capital punishment, he didnt suffer any family tragedy or else he would hang you first for protecting the drug traffickers from the death penalty. lol "

Oh now idiots like to assume? He didnt suffer any tragedy? go read up more and educate urself.

"I also know I wont dirty my hands to be the hangman to hang you for supporting the drug traffickers. There are plenty of volunteers. lol"

wow, support human rights can get hanged?? I certainly wont hang u for that remark but then pls god let there be no more of u in this world.

"You think if we dont hang the mules, the drug lords will not send more mules? I say it will enbolden them to recruit even more mules! I say also hang the mules so that it would be that much more difficult to lure them into joining the drug trade. But where there is good money, there will be mules but hanging is the best deterrent."

best deterrent? how stupid can u get? japan and kenya just abolished their death sentence. btw here's a free education for u, singapore has the highest execution rate per-capita. Did it solve or deter anything? ...guess?,...... smart boy, no it didnt!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

The way u frame your arguments....you've got no wit nor class lah. When you get all red-faced, dont talk sense or logic...it's not interesting at all to cut and thrust, engage in a lively banter with you. Best I dont continue this, help you degrade the quality of Yu-Kym's blogs. hahahhaha "Mari-kita" Singapore, "Mari-kita" PAP! lol

curious cat

Anonymous said...

lol curiouSCAT, no more lols and hahahas? too angry and red faced? i talk all sense and logic, its only i have to stoop to your intelligence level, or the lack of it, lol!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

lol..Oh so you are the intelligent one who has been voting for the losers all these 45 yrs or so? hahhaha You are such a genius! lol
You are so stupi-funni..so still lotsa of hahahas! lol "Mari-kita" PAP! "Mari-kita" Singapura! should make u squirm even more. lol

curious cat

Anonymous said...

lol curious scat! yes! i know i am a genius rite? i've been told many times. lol.vote? did i vote? no i didnt! lol doesnt affect me, i'm just here for the money! thanks ya'll. u can mari kita pap sap tap lap all u want....lol!

Anonymous said...

hahhaha Anonymous,

So you are here only for the money! A foreigner then? lol So what nationality are you? Malaysian? lol

curious cat

Anonymous said...

Hi All

Yes, it is pretty unkind, inhuman to end someone's life for trafficking in drugs.

Drugs are very effective to sooth any stressful lifestyle; and Singapore does have a rather high stress levels.

By hanging the traffickers, it makes the price of illegal drugs very high. This is much more desirable than being lenient and allowing illegal drugs to be available cheaply and by extension; widely available.

Because of its addictive nature, usage will become rampant and the user needs higher and ever higher dosages.

If illegal drugs are cheaply available, entire generations will be wasted. Look at China's past histroy for a sober assessment.

Can Singapore allow illegal drugs to destroy the only resource we have?

No.

From what I know, the traffickers are given one benefit of doubt. They are not arrested on their first run - unless its a huge cargo. on the second run, it's game over when they are caught.

Lets suppose we substitute life imprisonment for dealth penalty. The drug loads will keep sending undeducated, ignorant-of-our-laws runners. Who do you think will be paying for the cost of housing & feeding the runners during their imprisonment? The drug bosses? Their numbers will just keep increasing every year.

Go after the Drug Lords? Can you arrest the Ministers from foreign countries? The poppy farmers? It is like tobbacco. So cheap to harvest and so much profits from people's addiction to it.

The people who make the most profits are the re-sellers. Including the runners.

In some Arab countries, they amputate the hands of thieves. Not that it will eradicate theft. But it sure prevents a lot of it!

The punishment may not be the most elegant solution. But the lack of such punishment is not pretty - as far as consequences go.

Regards, Leo



Yes it's inhuman and I would not wish it on anyone.

Anonymous said...

Leo,

You said "the traffickers are given one benefit of doubt. They are not arrested on their first run - unless its a huge cargo. on the second run, it's game over when they are caught".

If you had said that they are not arrested because of a bigger sting operation, then I would understand why.

But you said otherwise. How so? I'm intrigued.

Yes, capital punishment is not human and one wouldnt wish it or anyone, but certainly the drug kingpins are not human?

curious cat

Yu-Kym said...

Leo, you're right that the runners also profit from the drug sales.

curious cat, if it's within a certain weight limit, the runners are not hanged.

Anonymous said...

Yu-Kym,

I know...but Leo said they "may not be arrested on their first run" and given a single "benefit of the doubt". It's not about hanging. So I wonder why so, if it's not a bigger sting operation being hatched down the road.

curious cat

Anonymous said...

There are no specific situations whether a drug trafficker would or would not be given the benefit of doubt.

Even if it was his first time, but he was caught with a huge stash, there would be no benefit of doubt given.

Probably when the anti-narcotic guys are unable to obtain evidence acceptable to a Court of Law, then even if they witnessed an act of trafficking eg the runner left a bag of drugs in the care of an innocent party; which was collected later by another, the anti-narcotic guys may have to give the runner a benefit of doubt if they are unable to clearly identify his face, say in a dark PUB.

Therefore, the same runner would not enjoy any benefit of doubt on second occasion the anti-narcotic guys intercept him, cos they will try not to make same mistake!

A Capital crime is a very serious & anti-narcotic guys have to furnished iron-clad evidence to convince a judge to exercise a non-discretionary sentence - hang him.

The act of taking away another man's life even by laws enacted by the State; is a very un-natural action.

This is because if we human beings ascribed to a Higher Order - we were given LIFE to live on Earth, we should not have the authority to end LIFE on an unwilling party.

Say a man raped & murdered your daughter, and you have the authority to decide whether to hang him; in the anguish of immediate aftermath, you certainly say hang him. But if you were to delay decision by 10 years and in those years, the rapist studied in prison and graduated as a doctor who subsequently cured your son of cancer, would you not thank yourself for showing mercy?

Frankly, I am sure I would changed my mind the instant my daughter were to die from a drug OD; but this is due to the high emotions involved right?

Yu-Kym, you certainly choose a subject to torture our minds!

Look at it this way, if he was fated to die, it is just a matter of method, as far as the guys who 'fixed' his fate are concerned.

It just makes it more certain, attainment of wealth does not bring less suffering or more happiness. Look at what crude oil did to the Middle East; wars, tin-pot dictators, societies had to be governed by religious edicts, etc, etc.

Sorry, it is all fixed.

Regards, Leo